Do you have the need to run MS-Windows applications on Linux?

Yes
72% (6054 votes)
No
28% (2393 votes)
Total votes: 8447
Carlie Fairchild - Wed, 2004-12-08 19:30.

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Yes

Some of the class webpages at my University require IE to work properly.

In addition, I keep Windows around to use Finale, a music notation program. Nothing in Linux remotely comes close to Finale, Sibelius, and the like for Windows and OS X.

An - ymous (not verified) - Tue, 2005-05-17 20:43.

Chemistry related apps

In connection with my study I need to run programs such as Reference Manager and ChemOffice. They only run in Windows though I must admit that I haven't tried runing them in Wine etc. - yet! If anyone knows of any linux based software that will do the same job as the two programs above please tell me.

henriette (not verified) - Thu, 2005-05-12 03:21.

running win32 apps in linux via wine

i dont think running win32 apps via wine is insane. all that years of domination by M$ left a big win32-user-base. let the users decide. we have the power and flexibility to let them choose.
choose is a fredom exercise.
wine is amazing.

Cesar Marinho (not verified) - Wed, 2005-05-11 20:14.

One program.

Get RPG Maker 2003 to work on WINE, and I'll never need Windows again. I'm not a programmer, but I enjoy making games.

Lunarcloud (not verified) - Wed, 2005-05-11 19:49.

If I want to run Windows appl

If I want to run Windows applications, I use Windows.

An - ymous (not verified) - Fri, 2005-05-06 04:24.

Need to use Windows software?

I will miss some good quality software on Windows. However, my point in leaving Windows is to leave behind the security issues. I'll welcome Linux/Unix ports of Windows applications but I don't see how you bring the Windows code over without bringing over the Windows security issues.

Chuck White (not verified) - Tue, 2005-05-03 19:00.

Exactly

I have always thought the same thing. If we just let any windows program run on linux, we'll end up allowing Wine to run viruses and junk. I wonder what ReactOS has to say about that... hmm? I think they might have a reasonable answer to that. Check it out. Its not worth using on your desktop yet, but its looking like it has some great potential. A completely WinNT compatible OS written from scratch. They obviously work closely with WINE.

http://www.reactos.com/

Lunarcloud (not verified) - Wed, 2005-05-04 17:24.

Wine more secure than Windows

There is one important aspect that separates Unix-like from Windows-like operating systems. Unix started out as a multi user system where each user account should be protected from the others and the system components (OS, applications, and their default configuration) cannot be manipulated by regular user accounts.

Windows on the other hand started out as a single user system where the user sitting at the system was expected to be able to install applications and change configuration at will. Even though the NT-line of Windows has had separation between users and the system components for years, the old single user tradition still shows through. Many programs still expect that users can change the system configuration (e.g. switch off antivirus programs) or even install applications. Consequently, many users work as Administrator or at least with Power User rights (or else they would get no work done).

When running Wine on Linux you may get some of the same security problems that you see on Windows but they will remain restricted to the user account running Wine. The rest of the system is unaffected. At worst you need to reinstall Wine. Moreover, many of the typical attacks on Windows will not work since you start individual Windows applications without starting Windows services or autostart programs.

By the way, Windows is gradually getting better at separating users from the system. You can witness this by observing that modern attacks rely on phishing scams or at least on user interaction when propagating viruses.

esh (not verified) - Wed, 2005-06-15 03:13.

haves and have nots

It is obvious from these posts that there are those who do use the windows and as a group together a weak bunch they are. and then there are those who simply do not, have no need for and would not be seen w/ a windows. this is obiviously a problem because i can think of several applications theses windows users could have used and with determinate rates. part of this windows software on being clung to, i am not able to analyze the success/failures whoever. another problem is compatiblity w/ the windows world as far a file formats go. the mounting problem is the weak distro piles. as you may or may not know intels piler 128 bit doubles and unrolls and inlines everything resulting in code that slides through the processor w/ ky ease. gcc takes a flags for this which they aren't doing. its just -O2. they even choked the kernel off. wtf is sse anyways. whats worse than sse is gcc jumping it. by 4s.

vampares (not verified) - Tue, 2005-05-03 05:40.

spelling

Me thinks thee should take a spelling class, or not send comments
over the internet when your mind is soaking in booze.

An - ymous (not verified) - Wed, 2005-06-22 17:24.

OpenSource

I have been dubbed by my friends as the "King of Free Software." You see when I was using Windows, I knew there had to be a free software program that would do what I wanted.

In short I Googled until I found them, and when I did a software comparison before making that final commitment to a pure linux system, I found that the only programs on my system that I had paid for were the FPS games, SWiSH2 and Windows itself.

Every other piece of software I was using had a freeware version to accomplish what I needed to get done. The funny thing is, that I'm still using a lot of the same programs on Linux.

The best part is that I don't have to have the malware or anti-virus software anymore. I've enjoyed using my computer instead of updating definitions daily.

In regard to the work I do with web development projects, I don't subscribe to the "I need Internet Explorer for testing." axiom. There are so many computers around me with Windows with varying versions of MSIE, that testing isn't an issue.

Summation:
I'd rather use KDE than go back to Windows again (no offense Bill).

mari - (not verified) - M - , 2005-05-02 11:21.

Unfortunately I still do.

I still run Autocad under windows. I haven't tried this with wine etc yet. The functionality that I need is to define a spline curve with end tangents. I have tried various CAD packages for linux but none so far will do this. I would love to have a linux native to do this. I also use Magix Audio Studio and haven't found a linux replacement that works yet.

I remember the feeling of euphoria that I felt after messing about with FIPS and RAWRITE when I first saw something running on my computer that didn't come from Microsoft. No more reinstalls! No more stupid microsoft programs doing thing that I didn't want them to behind my back! That was 4 years ago and the joy has subsided. The reality is that with freedom comes responsibility. If I want to be in control of my own computer (which I do) then I have to learn to control it. This learning process has been a slow and tedious one. You put an evening aside to achive one small task, install a piece of hardware, configure the print system etc. You find a snag. go to deal with that. Trawl around the news group archives or tldp.org looking for answers and a week later you've forgotten what it was that you originally set out to achieve. Meanwhile life goes on and you still need to use your computer to do the kind of day to day things that you Purchased it for in the first place. So you boot up that OS that you hate (but at least you know how to use) and you do the job.

I use Debian Woody and I think that it makes a meal of the init process with to many levels of over complicated scripts with so much commenting that it's hard to see where the actual statements are. I'm not intending to complain, I am still committed to the principle of free software but not everybody has the same patience and we lose a lot of people because of the shear complexity of the process learning to administer GNU Linux.

RobQ (not verified) - M - , 2005-05-02 05:13.

Don't think I need those win apps

Why should i waste HDD space on expensive and often very large applications?

I actually think that Linux drives me into doing more productive work then windows that always alures me into games.

I also think that linux applications are very nice and I rather work on linux because it is dificult for me and i like a challenge!!

An - ymous (not verified) - Thu, 2005-04-28 13:28.

challenge

I have to admit, Linux is a challenge! I bouhgt 2 versions
in 1999, I installed only one, and getting it to do what I wanted
it to do was... well, impossible. Mainly, drivers for new equipment
wasn't available at the time, and I suspect that since Linux is not
nearly as popular as MS-Windows, drivers for new stuff will always
lag behind. For now, a very difficult system to work with.

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An - ymous (not verified) - Wed, 2005-06-22 17:59.

By biggest issue and the thin

By biggest issue and the thing that continues to hold be back is that Linux is a a crappy gaming platform. I play FPS and when they are available to Linux its always a song and dance routine to get them to work right. I would like to see some performance comparisons of games running under Linux vs Windows on identical hardware and see which wins the rendering war. Until I can play all my faveorites on Linux it will remain my secondary machine as I don't have the money to maintain 2 state of the are boxes; given the choice I am sitting down in front of the faster hardware no matter what OS its running-sigh

theo (not verified) - Thu, 2005-04-28 10:34.

already do

I use Wine,Wine X,and at times Win4Lin which all let me play games,use IE6,and even Windows itself!

Trinette Rani (not verified) - M - , 2005-04-18 00:55.

Sadly, I do. I'm an electr

Sadly, I do.

I'm an electronic musician and my virtual studio of choice is Propellerheads Reason. There is no Linux equivalent, and there's no Linux version planned. Thus, I have an entire harddrive dedicated to one program.

However, my second, much larger harddrive, is dedicated to SimplyMEPIS 3.3. And that's where I spend all my non-music-composing time.

RiotNrrd (not verified) - Sat, 2005-04-16 15:46.

Linux, Microsoft, Apple

I think in a world this large, we will first have to make it so the is not so bent on corruption and greed. Then we will not have the need to work with multiple OSes we can get down to actually getting work done that we need. The only reason why I stll have a need to use windows application on Linux is
for the ability to play games, and work on programs needed to do assignments for school. I mainly use Linux, but bought a PowerMac G3 a few years back so I could do things that I could not with Linux, I then have slowly realized that I still have to use Windows because through all of this I still can't do some things. The only way to solve this problem is to have a world uniting of all the computer companies in the world.

Brian (not verified) - Tue, 2005-04-12 17:04.

Just 1 app: Internet Exploder and that's reqd for testing apps

I write "software" (web-based applications) for a large service provider.
The group I write most things for has been ordered to use IE, therefore I have to
test if everything I've written runs as expected in IE.
Crossover Office runs it beautifully.

Other than that, there isn't a single thing I need WIndoze apps for.
If you take the time to look around, instead of just assuming (not all of you but some)
you will find that there are FREE comparable apps for Linux for most everything
you would need.

I feel that most people have become inextricably tied to Micro$oft through their own doing.
They just assume they *have* to use product XYZ for whatever reason.
M$ Office is a perfect example. I prefer OpenOffice.org (also available for WIndoze).
I recently used it to pass a document back and forth between coworkers, each of
us adding and revising, with no ill effects. They used M$ Office while I used
OpenOffice.org and they were never the wiser.

You may think you are just a 'drop in the bucket' with your pleas to software
companies to provide Linux support. Never forget that enough 'drops' can turn into a
tidal wave.

Jennifer (not verified) - Sat, 2005-04-09 21:40.

For home users, I hate to say

For home users, I hate to say it but windows has everything hands down. Unfortunately, such is the monopoly. Try running trillian3 under Linux. It flat out CAN'T be done, and if it CAN, it can't be done, supporting the plugins that make it trillian , at least for me.
Try shrinking a dvd, making a LEGAL copy under Linux. Right, now try doing the same thing under Windows. It takes 5x as long to do under Linux , if you can even find the right application to DO it on a linux box.
Try running programs such as MusicMatch under Linux, and don't give me this "this program works better" crap. I've been using MM for years and will continue to do so, supporting them.

You get the drift. Everything that is developed any more for the HOME user is developed for Windows, NOT linux, Windows. It's sad, but it is indeed a monopoly, forced on individuals by Microsoft.

For workstations/servers , linux is most definitely the answer, but for home users, Microsoft still has that monopoly, even IF the U.S. govt. won't admit to it.

who cares? (not verified) - Fri, 2005-04-08 23:29.

Making a dvd copy?

I have to say, non-gui it is so simple as a put dvd in drive and:

dd if=/dev/dvd of=/cat/image.iso

then replace with a new dvd media in drive and:

growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/cat/image.iso

two simple commands. I agree, it's console. But makeing a GUI is really simple, using zenith or ruby...or what not. Legal? I dont know, fast? You bet.

An - ymous (not verified) - Sun, 2005-06-26 11:22.

i guess you haven't taken a l

i guess you haven't taken a look at Linux lately eh?

An - ymous (not verified) - Sat, 2005-05-28 15:49.

Perfectly valid Open Source alternatives

No point running Trillian 3 when I can just run Kopete or PSI and connect to all the same IM services just fine. I actually got my mother running PSI (Jabber client with MSN, Yahoo, AIM and ICQ support as well as IRC) on her Mac OSX machine as well as I use it on my Linux box and neither of us has had any troubles connecting to our instant messenger services, nor have we had troubles communicating with those who use Windoze equivalents such as Trillian (which BTW is a VERY good piece of software for you Windoze users. FAR better than MSN messenger and more secure too.) For making backups of my DVDs I actually use XVid (open DivX clone) but there are a variety of other options. The PLF (Penguin Liberation Front) has all the software to read, play, and copy DVDs under Linux for anyone willing to look on google.com for about 2 minutes. Musicmatch is nice but I find that www.shareaza.com has a similar tool that I'm quite happy with and it runs just fine under Wine (windoze emulator thingy) although there are several open source clones I've not yet tried. All in all, MOST things you can do under Windoze you can do equally well under Linux as stated above. The main exception is gaming, but even there, many commercial games ARE available in Linux flavors as well. For the most part 98% of the time I haven't any need to EVER run Windoze software under Linux, but on the rare occasion that I DO need to, it's nice to know that even there I have several options ranging from free to commercial, all with reasonably good degrees of success. One EXCELLENT commercial option is VMWare workstation. For a very reasonable price one can run a REAL copy of Windoze (or any other x86 operating system such as other flavors of Linux) inside a virtual machine. Far superior to emulators in most every way. Sorry to blather on... Point is: for ME Linux is all about CHOICE. I have the choice to run my machine the way I want, customize it rather easily to do what I want, how I want, when I want, and I can choose to buy commercial software or I can choose the 'do it yourself' route and go with open source options. Either way, I can get my work done when I need to and needn't worry about strange incompatibilities between varying flavors of M$ Office. 8)

An - ymous (not verified) - Sun, 2005-04-17 05:50.

Office

What about MS Office, I think there are too much bugs. Some days ago it was broken and I've lost half of my documents for work =(

Derek (not verified) - M - , 2005-07-25 18:47.

Work for Microsoft?

Work for Microsoft?

An - ymous (not verified) - Fri, 2005-04-15 11:00.

what does trillian have you c

what does trillian have you cant do in kopete ?

An - ymous (not verified) - Tue, 2005-04-12 02:16.

For any user, Linux can do the job.

Can't isn't even a word in the Linux community. There is nothing that can't be done. I'm sorry, but I have to give you that "this program works better, crap". I have always been able to find open source programs that work better than similar Windows programs. Your choice to support a certain application for "years" is your own choice at lock-in to a certain application. I doubt people who make a program choice and stick to it, ever try to do a proper evaluation or comparison to a similar application running under Linux.

Stating that "Everything that is developed any more for the HOME user is developed for Windows, NOT linux, Windows." is ridiculous. There are more applications for Linux than Windows. They are usually better written code except for the products of few commercial companies that M$ bought out, took over or stole the software from, who actually had good development and coding practices. I also wouldn't give up the ability to examine or improve the source for a program that I use. Commercial code can be sloppy because it's hidden. If you read license agreements for commercial applications, you'll also see that there is absolutely no motivation for a company like M$ to do anything to make their programs better or even to work at all. When you buy commercial software the risk is all yours. Like gambling, the house always wins. You need to face the fact that you have a gambling problem just like all the other M$ proponents out there.

An - ymous (not verified) - M - , 2005-04-11 07:09.

Sadly, I must agree with you.

Sadly, I must agree with you. I seriously tried to make the move to Linux (FC3) for my home machine. But after several months, I deleted the Linux partition and went back to Windows, I felt like a traitor, but there you have it. The struggle to get peripherals working was a nosebleed.

Also, there are some apps I cannot live without, like Quicken, Quickbooks, MS Access. I tried CrossOverOffice and Win4Lin, but the headache was too great; also, with CrossOverOffice I had to use apps that were several years old, since they don't support the newest versions.

I was dual-booting for quite a while, to use the apps I really need in Windows, but it was just too much in the end. The thrill of spending several days getting a wireless card working in Linux wore off.

Maybe in a few years, I give it a go again.

Dr Bop (not a real doctor)

DrBop (not verified) - Sun, 2005-04-10 21:28.

Its a tool DUH!

Doesn't matter if its Linux or Windows. They are used as a launching platform for your various tools. Use the one you need. I really like my car but I wouldn't try to take it to the lake and fish with it. I would use my boat.

I can access 99 percent of any application running from Windows from the Linux desktop by using Citrix. Yes it is expensive but it works great. I support 20 servers, over 500 users and about 100 applications in this manner. Mac, Linux, DOS, doesn't matter. There is a Citrix client for it.

So the difference is corporate use and personal use. You are going to be limited by the time and money on a personal level but it "can" be done.

An - ymous (not verified) - Thu, 2005-04-07 11:31.

I don't mean to WINE but I need a little WINE help

I am using the SUSE Linux 9.1 personal and I love it. It loaded easily and has been very robust, but I have a Windows Ap - Photo Impact that I have grown quite fond of over the last few years. I attempted to load it with WINE that was in the SUSE package, but it did not load properly. I tried to reload it with WINE, but Now WINE looks like it is from Abu-dabi I cannot read any of it and I do not know how to unload it and start again. Any SUSE help would be greatly appreciated.

I know GIMP would probably do what I want to do, but I have not found a good source for books on Gimp except for the Internet. I live in The Metro Atlanta Area, and you would think that some of the major bookstores would carry a decent book or two. The Computer stores carry a few books, but most of the big computer stores only have one version or two of Linux. It is very sad to see all of the counter space wasted on my favorite acronym. Wonderful Idea Never Did Operate Worth S#$&.. You all know the last one.
Thanks, and keep up the great work.

RobertE (not verified) - M - , 2005-04-04 15:44.

Do you have the need to run MS-Windows applications on Linux?

I've only started using Linux (Fedora Core 3) seriously the last couple of months. One Windows program which I use is Propellerheads Reason for making music, I haven't found anything similar for Linux (although it does work on OSX so they may code for Linux one day). The low latency required would I imagine be an issue in WINE. Any video editing apps like Avid would be good too.

Marko (not verified) - M - , 2005-04-04 05:59.

Do you have the need to run MS-Windows applications on Linux?

This is the equivalent of asking, "Do you have the need to blow your brains out while maintaining a lifestyle of freedom, longevity and joy?"

E1 (not verified) - Thu, 2005-03-31 17:57.

I would like to reformat the

I would like to reformat the linux and install win 98. Can this be done without getting into a real hassle???

An - ymous (not verified) - Thu, 2005-04-14 10:46.

Windows Apps Needed

There are several apps I need to run on linux so I can get rid of my windows box...

Tribes Vengeance
Sims 2 and Sims University Expansion Pack
Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind
Star Wars Jedi Knight Series
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Series

My laptop is too slow to run the games, so I have to Run FC3 on it and keep running XP on my desktop. I'd love to get rid of XP...

phasegen (not verified) - Thu, 2005-04-07 22:26.

Yes you can.

Of course you can get rid of Windows.

Go and buy a game console.

An - ymous (not verified) - Tue, 2005-06-21 20:49.

Try Cedega

http://www.transgaming.com

The Star Wars games are supported in the latest release. I don't know about the others, but they probably work too. It's $15 for a three month subscription, you can vote on what should be supported/developed next, and you get every version they release while you're subscribed.

An - ymous (not verified) - Tue, 2005-04-12 20:41.

Windoze artefacts

I don't run any Windoze apps on any of my regular computers. I do, however, have an ancient 'doze laptop out in the field, connected to a bank of data-loggers. When I get a slack period in my research, I intend to try to replace the proprietary software with something that I concoct myself, running on Linux.

Denise (not verified) - Tue, 2005-03-22 16:48.

That is one of the only 2 rea

That is one of the only 2 reasons I still have a MS machine the other reason is I haven't quite figured out how to get the charts to look right in Openoffice so I still use excel.

An - ymous (not verified) - M - , 2005-04-11 18:39.

alright you people just aren'

alright you people just aren't trying. it takes a little effort you know. try and progress a little at a time. and use something other than openoffice. its not even really gpl software.

An - ymous (not verified) - Tue, 2005-05-03 05:12.

I am new to Linux and have on

I am new to Linux and have only 2 issues w/ suse 9.2 otherwise i'm ecstatic -tried and tried to no avail to get my pcmcia wireless lan card to work
-for compatibility reasons as well as others i need to work in macromedia studio mx 2004
kde offers every other app i need/ if there was a linux version of studio mx 2004 i'd chuck windows in a second

An - ymous (not verified) - Fri, 2005-03-18 22:28.

Chucking windows

At this time there is no reason to stay on windows for certain software. With the wine project and the off shoot of wine codeweavers crossover office you can run most software you want on your linux box.

crossover is 39 USD but if that is the only cost of not having to configure wine it's worth it.

Alex

Amorley (not verified) - Fri, 2005-06-03 07:10.

I, too, need to use Macromedi

I, too, need to use Macromedia Studio MX for my web development. I have tried other tools for Linux, but they just aren't the same. I even signed the petition on Macromedia's website, but I don't know if it will amount to anything. Macromedia makes great products, and they need to realize that there are a lot of potential new customers (sales $$$) if they would make a version for Linux. Until then, I have to dual-boot with Windows XP so I can use my Macromedia programs.

lightningrod (not verified) - Tue, 2005-04-05 17:36.

Wine

You can get macromedia MX to work under some variant of wine. Try Crossover office it works fine under that and is easier to install things with than wine is. You can even have the internet explorer browser installed all of Windows Office XP and many other apps running just like they are on Windows. You should always use Firefox or Mozilla rather than Internet Explorer unless you have something you need to check IE functionality for such as a site that you are developing etc.

Buck19

An - ymous (not verified) - Wed, 2005-03-30 11:44.

wine

flash mx works under wine/crossover, but mx2004 is a lost cause, nobody knows why it wont work, just that it wont, I've tried myself. I've looked around the net, and pretty much everyone agrees that for the time being mx2004 isnt compatible, but the good news is that people are working on getting it to work.

An - ymous (not verified) - Sun, 2005-04-17 23:16.

Crossover and IE

I own a small insurance brokerage, and we have gone to a linux based office, primarily b/c of security. I was behind a hardware firewall (router), and kept the adaware, spybot, and Norton running all the time. I can't be on my staff all the time, so we would get minor stuff anyway, as you can't just sit around and watch your staff to be sure they don't do something stupid.

All our major vendors (Farmers, Safeco, GMAC, Progressive) just LOVE those little activeX widgets on their web pages (the agents pages, not the ones for consumers), so I HAVE to use IE to get them. Tried Opera, still would not work. Plus, Quickbooks is still the standard for accounting software.

I find that both run SEAMLESSLY under crossover office. It is kind of funny, as we live in an area dominated by Research Triangle Park (NC), where there are tons of software engineers. I chuckle when someone is buying home insurance and says "is that IE you are running under LINUX?"

But we don't get malware, and we don't worry about viruses, even though our mail goes thru avg for linux.

I definitely think Linux (we like UBUNTU) is ready for prime time.

eg (not verified) - Sat, 2005-04-09 04:47.

Windows Apps running under Linux

Dear EG,
Did you really say that QuickBooks will run under CrossOver Office?
Wow! I run a small accounting/tax prep service. And the
fact that even CrossOver's website doesn't claim that you can run
QuickBooks on their software has discouraged me from beginning a
changeover to Linux at my office. If it does work, what are your
tricks/techniques?? Give me enough of your advice to get going on
this. (*grin*)
Thanks,
DPM

DPM (not verified) - Tue, 2005-05-24 13:20.

i have the same 2 problems

i have the same 2 problems

jaytho (not verified) - Tue, 2005-03-29 19:27.

MS Publisher and DV photo apps

I have hundreds of MS Publisher files that would need converting before I erased my Windows 2000 partition - several years' worth of lesson plans, documents, hand-outs, etc.
I also use it to cut'n'paste photos from my digital video camcorder so I can print them.
Also, my DV camcorder has a firewire connection (for downloading video) and a serial connection (for stills). Nothing in Linux can grab stills from it, although I haven't tried the firewire video grabbing yet.
Linux does not print photos to the same high-quality as Windows.

Spufidoo (not verified) - Fri, 2005-03-18 05:08.

several sience and electronic

several sience and electronical design packages are not available for linux, not even a comparable replacement. luckely there is wine to run those programs

Black Eagle (not verified) - M - , 2005-03-14 04:10.

Running programs written for microshaft

I want to run some good inexpensive Architectual CAD programs that were written for XP. Is there a way to do this with Linux?

An - ymous (not verified) - Wed, 2005-03-16 15:42.